I apologize for the long post, but I’ve got a rabbit hole to write about today and no one really to share it with. Also, I’m new here and I’m not here to challenge peoples worldview or beliefs on any subject. Opinions are like you know what and I’m sharing mine! I’m of the mind that no one can be 100% sure on what is coming since no one has documented or observed it for our historical record. That, to me, leaves open some speculation on the actual procession of events.
My main source for information on this subject comes from Ben, Craig Stone, Ethical Skeptic, and a few others. I’ve been following Ben’s content for close to 10 years now. I feel all three are hovering over the target, though. I believe each of their predicted outcomes could end up being exactly true, but with something like this where no one can possibly know for sure… I can’t help but form my own thoughts and dive into my own rabbit holes on the subject.
Today, I set out to disprove the outcome I long held as the most likely and ended up only firming up my belief in this scenario. It all comes down the attached image and the Charles Hapgood theory related to the wandering of geographic poles.
Magnetic Pole Positions
Using Grok 4, I was able to have it research the relative position of the magnetic north pole to the following general areas. This data excludes excursion events as I viewed that as the likely catalyst for the big show.
What I found was a general position for each magnetic pole between eras:
- 12-24k years ago: Hudson Bay
- 24-36k years ago: Norwegian Sea
- 36-48k years ago: Greenland
- 48k-60k years ago: Bering Sea
This data seems to match Hapgood’s mapping of the poles – if not his actual stated timeframes for each position. However, I felt I needed to confirm that there is at least some correlation between geographic and magnetic pole positions. It’s not perfect, but it convinces me that perhaps the magnetic pole shifting is the trigger that ultimately causes the geographic pole shift.
Extinction Events
The second part I looked into extinctions or population reduction events during each of these cataclysmic cycles. Those too existed in the same timeframes.
- 12k years ago. This is the most famous of the megafauna graveyards of Siberia and Alaska/Canada.
- 24k years ago. Human population decimated in Europe. Sahara desertification begins. South America decimation.
- 36k years ago. Neanderthal Extinction. 72% of all megafauna in North America and 83% in South America wiped out.
- 48k years ago. 65% of megafauna worldwide (higher in Americas). Avian decimation.
This is the data that began to convince me that maybe there are other scenarios that could be in play here besides the Earth flipping on its side. However, I needed to map the graveyards and extinction areas to better understand why some parts of the world were hit harder than others. The lack of consistency to the same areas is why I began to depart from Ben and Ethical Skeptic on this issue.
From the Hudson Bay to the Arctic (12k ya)
The best documented mass extinction was the last. I had Grok 4 research all mass graveyards of megafauna from this time period and was able to get exact lat/long coordinates. Using Google Earth, I created pins for each location and all were in Siberia, Alaska, or Canada.
Next, I simulated the geographic pole moving from Hudson Bay to its present day location in the Arctic Ocean. Knowing there was a land bridge between Russia and Alaska at the time, I could see how the great tsunamis of that time would have swept across North America and Siberia carrying all of these animals and debris with it. This is likely why they found a mammoth graveyard on an ice-covered island north of Russia where no vegetation grows.
Additional evidence includes the North American ice sheet melting all at once. There is no advancing or receding. It melted all at once because it was no longer within the arctic circle since the pole moved.
From the Norwegian Sea to the Hudson Bay (24k ya)
This period of time was the most difficult to find data on. Grok was quite vague on sources, but he found records indicating human population collapse in Europe, Sahara desertifcation, and South America devastation.
Simulating the pole movement from the Norwegian Sea to the Hudson Bay still seems to show where the global flooding would hit hardest. Europe would have been wiped out, while Africa too would have suffered a similar fate. Not much on North America that Grok could find, but with the direction of the movement most of the damage would have impacted the west coast and Alaska. Not so much on the east as South America would have shielded it quite significantly with this move southward.
From Greenland to the Norwegian Sea (36k ya)
The extinction of the Neanderthal’s is big here. While it wouldn’t have been a global flood that did the job, the ensuing ice age due to the pole being near Europe and encroaching humans to their south would have slowly wiped them out over a few thousand years after this shift. Additionally, the direction of this move would have hit North and South America hard on their lower elevation eastern coasts. That could easily have accounted for the 72% in NA and 83% in SA dying off during this event.
From the Bering Sea to Greenland (48k ya)
There isn’t much on this time period and Grok seemed to include data from up to 60k years ago so it might include data from TWO shifts, not one. Most of the data points towards massive losses in North America (65% of all megafauna) and massive death among Avian species. Frankly, this move looks scary. Nearly twice as far in distance than any of the previous from the Bering Sea to Greenland. I wish there were more data on Europe and Africa.
Where we going if this scenario played out?
Currently, the magnetic pole is racing towards Siberia. The question then becomes how far does the geographic pole move to catch up once the catalyst of events is triggered by Ben’s well-documented data? Either way, if it travels towards Russia then the whole of the Pacific Ocean is still coming our way. In a lot of ways, both theories whether right or wrong will result in a much similar outcome for those of us living in North America. We’re going to be moving south… quickly. The longer we go, the worse the flood will be and the higher the elevation it will reach inland.
I’ve dabbled in fringe sciences my whole life. You know, the UFOs, stories of Atlantis, etc, but the data and science behind these cataclysms are hard to deny. ScienceTM has never really come up with a good answer for these global cataclysms that fit well with their gradualism worldview. It is always some distant past when Earth was young type deal, but that’s bulls–t and most people who actually pay attention understand this. They cannot accept that Earth may have two states. One that is gradual and slow changing that exists for 99% of the history of the planet and 1% that f’s everything up in very short order. Based on the geological record, we’re right around that 1% timeframe.
Questions that remain
- How does Ben reconcile the fossil and extinction records/timelines/locations? Perhaps he’s gone over this and I’ve missed it…
- For the Ethical Skeptic, how can we reconcile those same records if the Earth always flips in the same position and back each time? He’s a good researcher, but I’m having the most trouble coming around to his ECDO theory. I will say, I love the data being accumulated here by one of his supporters: https://github.com/sovrynn/ecdo
- What am I overlooking or leaving out during this rabbit hole dive?
I have come to believe that the core of the earth does not change position. I believe it spins on the same axis it always has spun on. The real event is some mechanism that creates a crustal displacement only. The sliding of crust over the upper mantle that changes the geographic north pole, but not the axis of the planet as a whole.
tl;dr – I’m bored today. Sorry. 😅
This is the result of a few hours of diving into topics I’m versed in, but not expert of. Curiosity drives me sometimes and I’m just here to shoot the breeze on a subject that is driving all my curiosity here the last few years.
